tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.comments2023-06-02T01:40:42.046-07:00Latino Evangelical Voices - Issues Challenging the Latino ChurchLatino Evangelicalshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11007433787829327571noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-12268264637500589522010-10-22T18:32:03.963-07:002010-10-22T18:32:03.963-07:00I am Hispanic and I didn't vote in any of your...I am Hispanic and I didn't vote in any of your polls but will hence forth make it a point to visit your web site to take part in future polls.<br /><br />I don't believe that the Republicans have a communication link to the Hispanic community and therefore are unable to relate to them what they are doing or have a two way conversation as to what they can do to help resolve those issues which are important to the Hispanic <br />community.<br /><br />I for one am a registered Republican and an active Tea Party Member. There is no truth that the Tea Party is anti-Hispanic but the left has attempted to portray them in that way. I also am for a comprehensive immigration reform legislation that will fix the border problem once and for all. The border states are really having a hard time with their budgets because of the dead weight created by undocumented immigrants and their children on their school systems and in their health system. Social programs can no longer afford to continue with the status quot.We have to understand that unless we get serious about fixing the problem things are going to be bad for everyone and that is what will ultimately make for a worse situation .<br /><br />I noticed that my comment is the first, why are Hispanics not more involved in these surveys and the polls put out by your site? I don't really want people like the Hispanics in congress making decisions for the Hispanic community when they don't represent our political views or our values. I feel as though I have no representation in Washington. Until we get some conservative Hispanics elected to congress I will continue supporting the Tea Party backed conservative candidates and hopefully we will elect them and we can start to take some aggressive steps toward fixing the problems with the Immigration issues, our National Debt by attacking the overspending by this and previous administrations. We also need to be serious about what we are willing to sacrifice to fix our debt problems. I for one would be willing to put Social Security, Medicare,on the table but not when we have a tax and spend administration as we have now. <br /><br />The Tax System is another area which needs to be reformed or replaced with The Fair Tax System. That would force the government to live within their means as we all have to do. There will be a finite amount of money coming into the government based on what the market spends. I will leave it at that.<br /><br />I look forward to my return to your site and sincerely hope that you will have more comments other than mine. I look forward to some back and forth with some of your other readers. My family will all be voting conservative and hopefully the rest of the Hispanic population will research and vote on the issues and for what is best for the country.marty9957http://www.sodahead.com/user/profile/912621/marty9957/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-17208043110486077292010-04-27T12:23:11.090-07:002010-04-27T12:23:11.090-07:00Hi,
My name is Rev Robert Wright, Editor for Chri...Hi,<br /><br />My name is Rev Robert Wright, Editor for Christian.com, a social network made specifically for Christians, by Christians. We embarked on this endeavor to offer the entire Christian community an outlet to join together and better spread the good word of Christianity. Christian.com has many great features like Christian TV, prayer requests, finding a church, receiving church updates and advice. We have emailed you to collaborate with you and your blog to help spread the good word of Christianity. I look forward to your response regarding this matter. Thanks!<br /><br /><br />Rev. Robert Wright<br />rev.robertwright@gmail.com<br />www.christian.comUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09519036461703485665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-577879687892576702010-04-25T18:26:55.530-07:002010-04-25T18:26:55.530-07:00Arizona can pass race base laws, pass Birthers law...Arizona can pass race base laws, pass Birthers laws and the state can continue to boycott Martin Luther King Day, well the rest of the Country can boycott the state of Arizona and spank them where it hurts them the most their pocket book. Their phony patriotism is sickening, they are just racists going by another name. We all know you are just itching to put a sheet on their head? Let’s face it the Republicans had eight years to deal with health care, immigration, climate change and financial oversight and governance and they failed. It appears that the Republican Party is only good at starting wars (two in eight years, with fat War profiteering contracts to friends of Cheney/Bush) but not at winning wars as seen by the continuing line of body bags that keep coming home. The Republicans party will continue turned inward to their old fashion obstructionist party (and their Confederacy appreciation roots) because they continue to allow a small portions (but very loud portion) of their party of “birthers, baggers and blowhards” to rule their party. I will admit that this fringe is very good at playing “Follow the Leader” by listening to their dullard leaders, Beck, Hedgecock, Hannity, O’Reilly, Rush, Savage, Sarah Bailin, Orly Taitz, Victoria Jackson, Michele Bachmann and the rest of the Blowhards and acting as ill programmed robots (they have already acted against doctors that perform abortions). The Birthers and the Tea party crowd think they can scare, intimidate and force others to go along with them by comments like “This time we came unarmed”, let me tell you something not all ex-military join the fringe militia crazies who don’t pay taxes and run around with face paint in the parks playing commando, the majority are mature and understand that the world is more complicated and grey than the black and white that these simpleton make it out to be and that my friend is the point. The world is complicated and people like Hamilton, Lincoln, and Roosevelt believed that we should use government a little to increase social mobility, now it’s about dancing around the claim of government is the problem. The sainted Reagan passed the biggest tax increase in American history and as a result federal employment increased, but facts are lost when mired in mysticism and superstition. For a party that gave us Abraham Lincoln, it is tragic that the ranks are filled with too many empty suits and the crazy Birthers who have not learned that the way our courts work is that you get a competent lawyer, verifiable facts and present them to a judge, if the facts are real and not half baked internet lies, then, and only then, do you proceed to trial. The Birthers seem to be having a problem with their so called “facts”. Let’s face it no one will take the Birthers seriously until they win a case, but until then, you will continue to appear dumb, crazy or racist, or maybe all three. I heard that Orly Taitz now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC), she wants to re-establish a family values party, that’s like saying that the Catholic Church cares about the welling being of children in their care, too late for that.Montananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-62163427752711832412009-12-16T09:44:53.230-08:002009-12-16T09:44:53.230-08:00It is obvious to me as an Anglo that the Denver Po...It is obvious to me as an Anglo that the Denver Posts attacks on Merida are gender, class, and race based. And Moss, who Merida has replaced, was complicit in an illegal vote attempt. After the vote was certified on Nov. 19th, the old board had no standing to vote per Colorado statute. Hurricane Merida? Why not just call her some horrid racist epitaph. Hey Chuck Plunkett, Some of my ancestry is Native American and they would like you to go back to where you came from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-29977893030645883802009-02-11T04:47:00.000-08:002009-02-11T04:47:00.000-08:00Nuevo Plan de Aztlan WHEREAS, We the Chicanas y Ch...Nuevo Plan de Aztlan <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>WHEREAS, We the Chicanas y Chicanos of the United States of America honor our Native American heritage with all our hearts and minds; <BR/><BR/>WHEREAS, We the Chicanas y Chicanos of the United States of America honor the sacred call of our Native American ancestors for peace and justice throughout our Americas; and <BR/><BR/>WHEREAS, We the Chicanas y Chicanos of the United States of America recognize La Raza has been struggling with a new wave of racial harassment, discrimination and persecution in our Americas since September 11, 2001. <BR/><BR/>NOW THEREFORE, We the Chicanos y Chicanos of the United States of America resolve as follows: <BR/><BR/>SECTION 1. TITLE <BR/><BR/>This resolution may be cited as Nuevo Plan de Aztlan. <BR/><BR/>SECTION 2. TERMINOLOGY <BR/><BR/>Nuevo Plan de Aztlan is based on the following terms: <BR/><BR/>a) Americanas y Americanos <BR/><BR/>Americanas y Americanos are ALL AMERICANS regardless of our races, colors, languages, cultures, nationalities, ethnicities, religions or creeds. <BR/><BR/>b) Aztlan <BR/><BR/>The concept of Aztlan is derived from the Nahua history of the Mexicas before their southern migration from Norte America into Centro Mexico during the 11th Century. Aztlan today is Indigenas of Mexican-American and(or) Mexican descent who consider ourselves Chicanas y Chicanos regardless of where we were born, live or die. <BR/><BR/>c) Carnalismo <BR/><BR/>Carnalismo is the love and compassion Chicanas y Chicanos have for each other as carnalas y carnales (sisters and brothers). Carnalismo is what unites and strengthens Chicanas y Chicanos as we work together for peace and justice. <BR/><BR/>d) Chicanas y Chicanos<BR/><BR/>Chicanas y Chicanos are Indigenas of Mexican-American and(or) Mexican descent who consider ourselves Chicanas y Chicanos based on our Native American heritage. <BR/><BR/>e) El Movimiento <BR/><BR/>El Movimiento is the Chicana y Chicano Movement for peace and justice. El Movimiento is comprised of numerous academic, athletic, artistic, business, commercial, cultural, educational, political, recreational, social, spiritual, wholistic and other Chicana y Chicano organizations and individuals working for peace and justice throughout Aztlan, our Americas and the world. <BR/><BR/>f) Heritage <BR/><BR/>Our Native American heritage includes our ancestral lands and freedoms; and all the histories, cultures, traditions and mores of our Native American ancestors. <BR/><BR/>g) Indigenas <BR/><BR/>Often called Native Americans or American Indians, Indigenas are all the indigenous peoples of our Americas including those of mixed-race heritage like La Raza. <BR/><BR/>h) La Causa <BR/><BR/>La Causa is for peace and justice, the eternal cause of Chicanas y Chicanos who recognize there can be no true peace without true justice, i.e., the abolition of poverty, racism, sexism and all other injusticias in our Americas. <BR/><BR/>i) La Raza <BR/><BR/>Chicanas y Chicanos can be Black, White, Brown, Red, Yellow and(or) any other “skin color” like the rest of La Raza and the human race. The concept of La Raza was derived from a 1925 essay published by Jose Vasconcelos, a Mexican educator who called the millions of mixed-race Indigenas with Latin-American and(or) Latin-European ancestors La Raza Cosmica. <BR/><BR/>La Raza is comprised of every race, color, nationality, ethnicity, culture, language, religion and creed in the world. This rich diversity is the unifying power, force and strength of Chicanas y Chicanos, and of all La Raza as we grow to know, understand and honor our great heritage. <BR/><BR/>j) Latinas y Latinos<BR/><BR/>Latinas y Latinos of our Americas are Indigenas with a Latin-American and(or) Latin-European heritage. Millions of Latinas y Latinos also have African, Asian and other Non-Latino ancestors. <BR/><BR/>k) Racism <BR/><BR/>·Racial categories are crude labels based on parentage, genetics and(or) physical traits, not religious or scientific proof of one’s superior or inferior nature like racists believe. <BR/><BR/>·Racism is the belief one or more “races” are inherently “superior” to one or more other races. [Example: Many Americans believe “White people” are inherently superior to “Non-White people” and that “Black people” are inherently inferior to all other people.] <BR/><BR/>·Racism includes the belief “mixed-race” people like La Raza are inferior to those with birth parents of the same race. “Race-mixing” is still condemned by racists today. · Indigenas were considered savages (less-than-human) when Europeans first invaded and occupied our Americas. "Christianized" and(or) otherwise assimilated Indigenas are still considered inferior by today’s racists. <BR/><BR/>·Racists are not just poor or poorly educated citizens, there are wealthy and highly educated racists throughout government and society who strive to protect and preserve their privileged status via institutional, industrial and commercial racism. Racists are not just White, either; there are Brown, Black, Red, Asian and other racists, too. <BR/><BR/>·The racist imposition of the colonial English language on Indigenas continues to cause horrendous problems for Chicanas y Chicanos in education, employment and virtually all other aspects of life in the U.S. Laws, rules and regulations are selectively enforced by local, state and federal institutions against La Raza, as English is used as a weapon to deprive Chicanas y Chicanos of liberty, equality and justice throughout our lives. <BR/><BR/>·Private industry (“free enterprise”) also causes havoc for Chicanas y Chicanos by perpetuating racist stereotypes and beliefs about La Raza for profit and gain. [Example: Mass media and the “entertainment” industries commercialize racist stereotypes and beliefs about Latinas y Latinos throughout the world, while pretending to be “spreading freedom and democracy” alongside the Pentagon.] <BR/><BR/>l) Terrorist(s)<BR/><BR/>A terrorist or terrorists are human beings who use unwarranted violence and(or) the threat of violence to kill, rob, rape, torture, imprison or otherwise impose their will over other human beings. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>SECTION 3. STATEMENT OF PURPOSE <BR/><BR/>Nuevo Plan de Aztlan addresses the alarming attacks orchestrated against Indigenas throughout Norte America since September 11, 2001 (9/11). U.S. officials are using La Raza as a scapegoat or smokescreen to distract or divert attention away from their heinous war crimes in the Middle East. <BR/><BR/>According to their domestic propaganda, the “real problem” and therefore actual enemy or threat to national security is Mexicans and other Indigenas “invading” Norte America, not the Pentagon killing, torturing, maiming, imprisoning and destroying other indigenous peoples' lives in faraway lands. <BR/><BR/><BR/> Thousands of racist media, vigilante, “homeland security” and other hostile actions have been executed against Indigenas since 9/11, as tens of thousands of these indigent men, women and children have been rounded up and herded out of Norte America like cattle. <BR/><BR/>SECTION 4. HISTORICAL ANALYSIS <BR/><BR/>Indigenas have suffered centuries of injusticias including genocide, rape, torture, mayhem, kidnapping, slavery, peonage, poverty, homelessness and groundless imprisonment at the hands of the original European invaders and occupiers of our Americas. <BR/><BR/>The offspring of these European terrorists expect Chicanas y Chicanos to ignore or forget this true account of their ancestors’ horrendous atrocities, as if these abominations against our Native American ancestors never occurred or mattered. <BR/><BR/>As English imperialism via the U.S. government seeks to conquer the entire world, La Raza is increasingly faced with discriminatory law enforcement, housing, education, employment, healthcare, mass media, entertainment and other racist industrial, commercial and institutional policies and practices, especially since 9/11. <BR/><BR/>The offspring of the European terrorists who originally stole our ancestral lands are guilty of receiving this stolen property. Receiving stolen property is no less a crime than stealing it. These aliens remain in denial as they continue to exploit, oppress and otherwise deprive us of our ancestral lands and freedoms from generation-to-generation much like their terrorist ancestors did against our ancestors for the past few centuries. <BR/><BR/>U.S. racists are now working to outlaw MEChA and other Movimiento organizations being blamed for “too many Mexicans” and other Indigenas in Norte America today. Local, state and federal government agencies have also made it extremely difficult for the Partido de La Raza Unida to rise politically against this institutionalized harassment, discrimination and persecution in any significant way. <BR/><BR/>These same racists oppose Chicana y Chicano Studies, affirmative action, financial aid, bilingual and multicultural education, ethnic studies, fair housing, equal employment opportunities and all other ways and means of attempting to create level playing fields for La Raza, as if the U.S. only belongs to Anglo-Americans and everyone else is a second-class citizen at best. <BR/><BR/>SECTION 5. MEXICO, CENTRO Y SUR AMERICA <BR/><BR/>The 21st Century campaign against Mexicans in the U.S.is also aimed at Chicanas y Chicanos since we are all familia. Chicanas y Chicanos have a natural, inherent or innate relationship with Mexicanas y Mexicanos because of our common Native American heritage that is everlasting.Other Indigenas throughout our Americas are suffering from these racist attacks too. <BR/><BR/>We are all being treated as a threat or potential threat to national security by the racist U.S. government at the local, state, federal and international level. <BR/><BR/>SECTION 6. GOALS AND OBJECTIVES <BR/><BR/>a) We the Chicanas y Chicanos of the United States of America must reach beyond nationalism to establish and(or) coalesce with parallel movements of other Indigenas united around our multilingual, multiracial and multicultural heritage throughout our Americas and on outlying islands. <BR/><BR/>b) El Movimiento’s mass communication, organization and mobilization initiatives call for Chicanas y Chicanos to join forces with all La Raza against our common exploiters and oppressors because we cannot be free unless and until all La Raza is free.<BR/><BR/>c) Economic justice cannot be achieved without social and political justice. La Raza must join together as an international union of Indigenas to work for this justicia as opposed to permitting the racists to continue to exploit and oppress La Raza via commercial, industrial and institutional racism from generation-to-generation. <BR/><BR/>d) This indigenous union must ensure liberty, equality and justice for all Americanas y Americanos so We can all live, work and travel freely in peace and justice throughout our Americas for so long as the rivers flow. <BR/><BR/>e) The first priority of our new union is to abolish poverty, racism and sexism throughout our Americas. <BR/><BR/>f) This union must ensure all workers in our Americas receive good jobs and compensation so that all Americanas y Americanos can have nice homes in safe and secure neighborhoods and communities. People unable to work will also have nice homes in these safe and secure neighborhoods and communities because no one will live in poverty or homelessness in our Americas except by her or his own choosing. <BR/><BR/>g) We the Chicanas y Chicanos of the United States of America must ensure our children learn about our indigenous ancestors, at home and in all the schools, colleges and universities of our Americas so they and future generations will know, understand and honor our Native American heritage. <BR/><BR/>NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, We the Chicanas y Chicanos of the United States of America will live our daily lives in accordance with Nuevo Plan de Aztlan to the best of our abilities. <BR/><BR/>BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, We the Chicanas y Chicanos of the United States of America will encourage Chicana y Chicano organizations everywhere to review, adopt and incorporate Nuevo Plan de Aztlan into their own missions, goals and objectives so all Indigenas can stand united against the new wave of racial harassment, discrimination and persecution La Raza faces in the 21st Century. <BR/><BR/>Copyright 2008 Internet Mecha. Nuevo Plan de Aztlan may be reproduced, republished and disseminated freely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-48899504196175259252008-11-25T13:07:00.000-08:002008-11-25T13:07:00.000-08:00Butch,I agree. Arpaio needs to be stopped. Is the ...Butch,<BR/>I agree. Arpaio needs to be stopped. <BR/>Is the lawsuit still underway?Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-29596047695143525392008-11-13T10:22:00.000-08:002008-11-13T10:22:00.000-08:00Subject: Re: The Obama Challenge & the Church ...Subject: Re: The Obama Challenge & the Church / Panama Response<BR/>Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 6:59 PM<BR/>rodsbecky55@yahoo.com<BR/>Rebecca Rodrigues<BR/><BR/>Dear Butch,<BR/><BR/>What in the world are you advocating here? This man is an enemy of God, his proposals are to destroy and make a mockery of righteousness and what true Americans value. America is headed for "a nightmare" and you, an intelligent man and a Christian don't see or feel by the Holy Spirit what's to come? <BR/>How can you ask me and other evangelicals to join the world in the giving of our support to this man who won this election because "he bought it with blood money." The audacity of this president-elect who broke our laws by receiving monies contributed by foreign contributors who are our enemies, and obama refuses to name these contributors! Our soldiers shed their blood over there "for what!" They believed in what they were doing in their cause to retaliate for the attack on us in 9/11 and also to help set up democracy there in that land and now the terrorists are rejoicing. He, obama, said in his book that if there was a war with the moslems in the near future, he will side with them, NOT US, THEM! <BR/>How can you ask or encourage people to unite and put their support and trust in a man who has continually been caught in lies, refuses to be upfront when asked for proof of birth and whatever else they asked of him. All went smoothly for him because he received millions to PAY PEOPLE OFF including the press to keep a low profile and just SING HIS PRAISES! Don't rock the boat or your out!! He has an agenda of his own, so far I haven't seen anything patriotic, nor a love for this country, for it's true American spirit. And no one will oppose his tactics, confront him with the truth of how he really did win this election. No sir, I don't claim him and never will. I will pray, but I will pray for America because they are supporting a delusion which is headed for their destruction.<BR/>He is for killing babies, now our US postal system is wanting to recognize the moslems with their own Christmas stamp!! Come on Butch, and I just got through reading in the news that they are going to put signs on the buses in D.C. area that says, "Why believe in God" , "just be good for goodness sake." He also wants to take our "guns" away, why now? Because then Americans will not be able to defend themselves against what is to come, it's called socialism. If you don't conform, there will be nothing you can do about it. They will have more control in your life and be able to tell you what to teach and what not to teach your children or accept the teaching of your children/grandchildren in public schools that,homosexuality is okay!! <BR/>He is challenging true Americans alright, he doesn't want Americans to be "self-thinkers" but to conform themselves to changes that will deminish many rights and liberties....and he is going after our conservative radio talk show hosts, that definitely is on his agenda to get them off the air!!! That's against our constitutional right called "freedom of speech". Folks who voted for him, especially Christians will be answering to God on this one for sure!!! America wants sin, God will let them have it till their cup is full.Rev Fidel "Butch" Montoyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02566985664099503813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-52768354539889273432008-10-23T02:37:00.000-07:002008-10-23T02:37:00.000-07:00Latinos have never supported Bush at a percentage ...Latinos have never supported Bush at a percentage of 71%. However, what is true is that Latinos have increased their level of support in every election since 1996 for the Republican candidate.<BR/><BR/>Earlier in the campaign, Latino support dropped to 26% for McCain. With Sarah Palin on the ticket, the support is beginning to rise again...with the lastest survey showing that Latinos support McCain/Palin by 33.6% and rising.<BR/><BR/>By election day, most Latinos will realize the anti immigration and brown rhetoric is just as bad or worse in the Democratic Party, and voter support among Latinos will increase matching or busting Bush's level of support in the last election.<BR/><BR/>Here are the Latino percentages of support analyzed by respected and well known author George Marlin since 1996 for the GOP candidate...<BR/><BR/>Where the 71% level of Latino support for President Bush in the last election came from is open to serious debate because it is simply not a credible percentage. <BR/><BR/>Placing this erroneous percentage in a credible survey report does not make it credible, and in fact raises serious questions about the truthfulness and credibility of the latest survey. <BR/><BR/>If the pollsters of the latest survey continue to insist President Bush enjoyed a 71% level of support during the 2004 election, their research is tainted by false information.<BR/><BR/><BR/>George Marlin, author of The American Catholic Voter, quoted various polling data in the online publication The Catholic Thing to make the following points about Hispanics. <BR/><BR/>Most of them:<BR/>• Oppose abortion<BR/>• Attend church<BR/>• Believe that couples should marry if they intend to live together<BR/>• Say that unwed parents should be legally wed<BR/>• Hold that government should promote “personal responsibility” instead of “bureaucratic paternalism.”<BR/>• View welfare as a temporary safety net, not a permanent way of life.<BR/><BR/>“These data explain why the most significant Bush gains in the 2004 presidential election were in the Hispanic communities,” Marlin writes.<BR/><BR/>He also made the case that the Hispanic vote is trending more Republican.<BR/><BR/>In 1996, 21% of Hispanics voted for Bob Dole over Bill Clinton<BR/><BR/><BR/>In 2000 34% voted for George W. Bush over Al Gore<BR/><BR/>In 2004, 41% voted to re-elect the President against John Kerry.<BR/><BR/>Marlin quotes Dick Morris’ conclusion: “More Hispanics voted Republican for a variety of factors, including Bush’s efforts to cultivate them, his proposals to legalize guest workers, and his conservative position on social values, which was a special importance to religious Catholic Hispanics.”<BR/><BR/>Leslie Sanchez, president of the Impacto Group, a Republican communications research firm, agreed: “There is no doubt Hispanics share many of the values of the Republican Party.”<BR/><BR/>And because of those factors, Latinos will come home to the GOP again, in spite of flirting with "the Change Candidate...Obama". Most Latinos will realize socialism does not align well with Latino values and beliefs.<BR/><BR/>The latest national AP SHOCK poll numbers show Obama leading by one percentage point, well within the margin of error and down by mutlipute points from the AP poll from just three weeks ago..<BR/><BR/>AP writes, "the poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as GOP-leaning voters drifted home to their party and McCain's "Joe the plumber" analogy struck a chord."<BR/><BR/>One has to ask themselves, why can't Obama make the sale to the <BR/>American voter?<BR/><BR/>Because values and beliefs are far more important than feeling good after listening to a motivating socialist speech. After the speech, the problems are still there, and Latino voters are realizing, feeling good does not create change.Rev Fidel "Butch" Montoyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02566985664099503813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-24507973701684732462008-10-23T02:27:00.000-07:002008-10-23T02:27:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rev Fidel "Butch" Montoyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02566985664099503813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-27584033219343571132008-10-09T13:42:00.000-07:002008-10-09T13:42:00.000-07:00I urge everyone to Google "God to Same-Sexers: Hur...I urge everyone to Google "God to Same-Sexers: Hurry Up." Rocky2Rocky2https://www.blogger.com/profile/04154389992453412024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-78012617617939593202008-10-06T02:04:00.000-07:002008-10-06T02:04:00.000-07:00The NYT article is far from out of date. While th...The NYT article is far from out of date. While this crisis has been in the making since the 1920's, the eventual end was spread along by policies of "the ownership society". A series of policies enacted by the Bush administration such as "the American Dream act" allowed even more risky loans to be made while reducing risk to the actual lenders. <BR/><BR/> <I> "President Bush issued America's Homeownership Challenge to the real estate and mortgage finance industries to encourage them to join the effort to close the gap that exists between the homeownership rates of minorities and non-minorities. The President also announced the goal of increasing the number of minority homeowners by at least 5.5 million families before the end of the decade."</I><BR/><BR/> In the 90's when the economy was booming and the unemployment levels had dropped to an all time low, there were a lot of people who were low risk for loans. encouragement of these loans were because the economy was doing well. They were not being used in hopes of encouraging economic growth. <BR/><BR/> Enter the house flipper, mortgage broker, sub-prime loans lender, and the high risk borrower of the new millennium. As industrial outsourcing and growth of trade deficits became the norm, unemployment started to rise. So did the cost of housing. However, with the army of mortgage brokers and real estate agents wanting to continue their employment, they were forced to loan to people who wouldn't have otherwise made the cut. <BR/><BR/> That is how we got here today.Lord of Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01026029683955947785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-14108522914208984702008-10-05T20:06:00.000-07:002008-10-05T20:06:00.000-07:00This New York Times Article dated 1999 might give ...This New York Times Article dated 1999 might give some insight into whose fault this is<BR/><BR/>Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending<BR/>By STEVEN A. HOLMES<BR/>Published: September 30, 1999<BR/>In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.<BR/><BR/>The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets -- including the New York metropolitan region -- will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring.<BR/><BR/>Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.<BR/><BR/>In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest rates -- anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional loans.<BR/><BR/>''Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990's by reducing down payment requirements,'' said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer. ''Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.''<BR/><BR/>Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least one study indicates that 18 percent of the loans in the subprime market went to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the conventional loan market.<BR/><BR/>In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's.<BR/><BR/><BR/>(Nancyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07902395746741317120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-26767624797107701782008-09-11T22:36:00.000-07:002008-09-11T22:36:00.000-07:00OBAMA SUPPORTS PUBLIC DEPRAVITY(& supports the...OBAMA SUPPORTS PUBLIC DEPRAVITY<BR/>(& supports the "rights" of little kids to view it!)<BR/><BR/> Google "Zombietime" and click on "Up Your Alley Fair." After recovering from the uncensored photos, Yahoo "God to Same-Sexers: Hurry Up" on "ucmpage" listing (even Jesus told Judas to hurry up - John 13:27). Also Yahoo "Dangerous Radicals of the Religious Right." See all of this before the Creator responds with quakes, hurricanes etc. The agenda of Gaydom is to sneak its depravity on to every Main Street on earth in front of children while decent folks do nothing! BTW, a new pro-life slogan says: "Unborn children should have the right to keep and bear arms - and legs and ears and eyes etc.!" <BR/> Rocky2<BR/>(Obama and his porn-protecting friends, Pelosi and Newsom, did NOT approve of this message.)Rocky2https://www.blogger.com/profile/04154389992453412024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-82113761314378435422008-09-11T14:35:00.000-07:002008-09-11T14:35:00.000-07:00Dear Butch and Immigrant Rights Community:I would ...Dear Butch and Immigrant Rights Community:<BR/>I would like to present to you the full Immigration plank of the Democratic Party Platform and refute some of the charges made in the previous email from Mr. Montoya. While I agree with some of the sentiment that Butch puts forth, like the capitulation by our Congressional delegation on border fence, SAVE, etc., the Democratic Platform as adopted in Denver is not the harsh document that we are led to believe by Mr. Montoya’s commentary and the included article from un-linked sources. As for the Progressive States Network ‘new’ stance on immigration it is just that new. Three years ago while Colorado was drafting an anti-immigration law, the PSN was supporting them. I wrote PSN at that time and argued with them. They have come around, like many organizations, to be enlightened about immigration. <BR/><BR/>And let me state for those in this list that don’t know me or may not be fond of my DNC affiliation – I was one of a handful of DNC committee members nationwide to march in May 2006 for immigrant rights. I may have been the only DNC member to march at the DNC immigrants rights march in Denver on Aug. 28, 2008 along with Secretary Federico Pena and Dolores Huerta. I am a friend of immigrant rights not just a partisan advocate. So when I see information that I feel needs to be corrected, I will do so like I you will read below. <BR/><BR/> I have included the entire Immigration plank and other information below with a links to documents you can find online. First to respond to some of Mr. Montoya’s points not supported by the facts. <BR/><BR/>BM says: the immigration reform issue received zero attention from the Obama/Biden team during the DNC. <BR/>Fact: There was a fair amount of attention paid to the immigration reform at the DNC. The Senator spoke about immigration during his acceptance speech in Denver. (below) Also Michelle Obama spoke at the Hispanic Caucus on the issue of immigration. I can’t locate a text of her speech, but you will find pro-immigrant statements in the news if you do an internet search.<BR/>From the Senators Speech: “You know, passions may fly on immigration, but I don't know anyone who benefits when a mother is separated from her infant child or an employer undercuts American wages by hiring illegal workers. But this, too, is part of America's promise the promise of a democracy where we can find the strength and grace to bridge divides and unite in common effort.” Link to full speech: http://www.barackobama.com/2008/08/28/remarks_of_senator_barack_obam_108.php <BR/>BM says: We now see phrases like, "required to obey the law," "get right with the law," "nation of laws," and a conditional "pathway to citizenship," <BR/>Fact from the DNC platform: I don’t find any of the language or phrases you quote except this one - “get right with the law”. It is part of the last paragraph in the platform refers to those here illegally becoming legal. <BR/>BM says: conditional "pathway to citizenship," <BR/>Fact from the DNC platform: No such language exists. Here is what it does state in the final paragraph: “We support a system that requires<BR/>undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, pay taxes, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens.” That is conditional, but it is not similar language from Kennedy’s Senate bill?<BR/>BM says: place the onus of the immigration mess on immigrants rather than on the system itself." <BR/>Fact from the DNC platform: I find the language does share the blame with employers and the system. For example from paragraph 3: “We need to dismantle human smuggling organizations, combating the crime associated with this trade. We also need to do more to promote economic development in migrant-sending nations, to reduce incentives to come to the United States illegally. And we need to crack down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants. It’s a problem when we only enforce our laws against the immigrants themselves, with raids that are ineffective, tear apart families, and leave people detained without adequate access to counsel.” <BR/>And paragraph 4: “We must also improve the legal immigration system, and make our nation’s naturalization process fair and accessible to the thousands of legal permanent residents who are eager to become full Americans. We should fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy that hampers family reunification, the cornerstone of our immigration policy for years.”<BR/><BR/>Senator Obama has been consistent with his determination to achieve reform. He spoke the words that follow on the issue after the DNC convention at the Hispanic Caucus Institute on September 10, just this week. Link to entire speech: http://www.barackobama.com/2008/09/10/remarks_of_senator_barack_obam_110.php <BR/> “This election is about the 12 million people living in the shadows, the communities taking immigration enforcement into their own hands…they're counting on us to stop the hateful rhetoric filling our airwaves, rise above the fear and demagoguery, and finally enact comprehensive immigration reform.<BR/><BR/>Now, I know Senator McCain used to buck his party by fighting for comprehensive reform - and I admired him for it. But when he was running for his party's nomination, he abandoned his stance, and said he wouldn't even support his own legislation if it came up for a vote. And when it came time to write his party's platform, comprehensive reform never made it in. So you've got to ask yourself: if Senator McCain won't stand up to opponents of reform at his own convention, how can you trust him to stand up for change in Washington?<BR/><BR/>Well, I don't know about you, but I think it's time for a President who won't walk away from comprehensive immigration reform when it becomes politically unpopular. That's the commitment we made in our Democratic Party platform. That's why I was proud to champion the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act. That's why I was proud to stand with you in those marches for immigration reform. And that's the kind of partner I'll be in the White House.<BR/><BR/>Now, those 12 million people broke the law. And we cannot excuse that. But we cannot deport 12 million people. Instead, we'll require them to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for citizenship - behind those who came here legally. At the same time, we'll secure our borders and crack down on employers who hire undocumented workers. That's how we'll reconcile our values as both a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws..”<BR/><BR/>Senator Obama has a broad view on issues of import for the Hispanic Community. He has a 49 page document titled “ Latino Blueprint for Change” that includes a chapter on immigration, economic opportunity, education, health care, home ownership, seniors, women, civil rights, poverty, foreign policy, veterans and faith. You can download the document in English and Spanish online at this link: http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/latinoshome <BR/><BR/>The Democratic Party has done more to embrace the ‘sleeping giant’ issues this election year than has ever been done for our community. Is it perfect? No. But it is real. And Senator Obama and the Democrats are the party to work for issues that affect our community including immigration reform. Senator Obama and the DNC have made a commitment to take up immigration reform in the first year should he be elected. While the Democrats have made promises to supports Latinos, the GOP and McCain have backed away from reform. <BR/><BR/>The choice is clear as to who will work for our community and that choice is Senator Obama. I urge all members of this list serve to find out how you can help get voters out in your area. <BR/> <BR/>Immigration Plank from the DNC Platform – Read entire document online at this link: http://democrats.org/a/party/platform.html <BR/>Immigration<BR/>America has always been a nation of immigrants. Over the years, millions of people have come<BR/>here in the hope that in America, you can make it if you try. Each successive wave of<BR/>immigrants has contributed to our country’s rich culture, economy and spirit. Like the<BR/>immigrants that came before them, today’s immigrants will shape their own destinies and enrich<BR/>our country.<BR/><BR/>Nonetheless, our current immigration system has been broken for far too long. We need<BR/>comprehensive immigration reform, not just piecemeal efforts. We must work together to pass<BR/>immigration reform in a way that unites this country, not in a way that divides us by playing on<BR/>our worst instincts and fears. We are committed to pursuing tough, practical, and humane<BR/>immigration reform in the first year of the next administration.<BR/><BR/>We cannot continue to allow people to enter the United States undetected, undocumented, and<BR/>unchecked. The American people are a welcoming and generous people, but those who enter<BR/>our country’s borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law. We<BR/>need to secure our borders, and support additional personnel, infrastructure, and technology on<BR/>the border and at our ports of entry. We need additional Customs and Border Protection agents<BR/>equipped with better technology and real-time intelligence. We need to dismantle human<BR/>smuggling organizations, combating the crime associated with this trade. We also need to do<BR/>more to promote economic development in migrant-sending nations, to reduce incentives to<BR/>come to the United States illegally. And we need to crack down on employers who hire<BR/>undocumented immigrants. It’s a problem when we only enforce our laws against the<BR/>immigrants themselves, with raids that are ineffective, tear apart families, and leave people<BR/>detained without adequate access to counsel. We realize that employers need a method to<BR/>verify whether their employees are legally eligible to work in the United States, and we will<BR/>ensure that our system is accurate, fair to legal workers, safeguards people’s privacy, and<BR/>cannot be used to discriminate against workers.<BR/><BR/>We must also improve the legal immigration system, and make our nation’s naturalization<BR/>process fair and accessible to the thousands of legal permanent residents who are eager to<BR/>become full Americans. We should fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy that hampers<BR/>family reunification, the cornerstone of our immigration policy for years. Given the importance of<BR/>both keeping families together and supporting American businesses, we will increase the number<BR/>of immigration visas for family members of people living here and for immigrants who meet the<BR/>demand for jobs that employers cannot fill, as long as appropriate labor market protections and<BR/>standards are in place. We will fight discrimination against Americans who have always played<BR/>by our immigration rules but are sometimes treated as if they had not.<BR/><BR/> For the millions living here illegally but otherwise playing by the rules, we must require them to<BR/>come out of the shadows and get right with the law. We support a system that requires<BR/>undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, pay taxes, learn English, and<BR/>go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens. They are our neighbors, and<BR/>we can help them become full tax-paying, law-abiding, productive members of society.<BR/> (page 45 – end of Immigration plank)<BR/>From: Debbie K. Marquez, Democratic National Committeewoman,greenchiledemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043739818716025677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-29544634910830424582008-08-29T06:01:00.000-07:002008-08-29T06:01:00.000-07:00It is disheartening to read such vicious comments ...It is disheartening to read such vicious comments about Henry Cejudo – they point to the larger unresolved immigration issues. Cejudo is a true American and Olympic champion. <BR/><BR/>Cejudo’s achievement, in the midst of such difficult circumstances provides an appropriate and poignant opportunity to raise awareness concerning the injustices perpetuated by the broken immigration situation. For ex. – How is it possible for the US Olympic Team (with the backing and awareness of the US Dept. of Justice) to allow Cejudo to compete without ‘resolving’ [even temporarily] his mother’s visa situation so she could attend the games AND re-enter the country. Or the fact that Cejudo can do nothing to mend his mother’s immigration status even though he has won a gold medal. One wonders what it would take obtain an accommodation from the US Gov. –maybe if he was Romanian instead of Mexican and was in another sport..like say Gymnastics .. then maybe…Peakvistashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16518082522675995639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-41028455627691101922008-08-20T17:22:00.000-07:002008-08-20T17:22:00.000-07:00There is absolutely nothing wrong with your charac...There is absolutely nothing wrong with your character and integrity, and you should not be embarrassed -I believe God did not want you to be a part of his campaign - God knows best for us. A small part of an article from the National Review written by Rich Lowry on aboration " Obama either didn't know his own record, or was so accustomed to shrouding it in dishonesty that it had become second nature. As some skeptics might put it, he's forced to lie about his record" so, God does know what is best for us. I believe the far left (Communists) are trying to take over this great Country and its important that everyone be aware so we can get it out of the Congress and government. All the other issues will be resolved if we remain a free Country. McCain is a good American and certainly has the experience to move us forward. I believe his intention is to help not hurt all who are lucky to live here. Thank you and God Bless Karenkarenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16984183232158695671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-85483627090660236582008-08-17T11:49:00.000-07:002008-08-17T11:49:00.000-07:00Dr Rodriguez appears on this CURRENT TV show, whi...Dr Rodriguez appears on <A HREF="http://current.com/items/89205643_unconventionally_yours_with_trace_crutchfield" REL="nofollow">this CURRENT TV show</A>, which despite the trailer's hype of outrageousness does a nice job presenting the latino evangelical position in the US.agent mulehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09531641085177487953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-67137790621831456502008-08-17T11:31:00.000-07:002008-08-17T11:31:00.000-07:00Dr Rodriguez appears on this CURRENT TV show, whi...Dr Rodriguez appears on <A HREF="http://current.com/items/89205643_unconventionally_yours_with_trace_crutchfield" REL="nofollow">this CURRENT TV show</A>, which despite the trailer's hype of outrageousness does a nice job presenting the latino evangelical position in the US.agent mulehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09531641085177487953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-56208519612537740892008-08-17T11:29:00.000-07:002008-08-17T11:29:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.agent mulehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09531641085177487953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-30718662496316171082008-08-12T19:18:00.000-07:002008-08-12T19:18:00.000-07:00It is not just abortion that separates McCain from...It is not just abortion that separates McCain from Obama.<BR/><BR/>It is also the experience factor and the fact tha McCain has a large Hispanic following in Arizona. I ask the question, what legislation has Obama proposed that benefits Latinos?<BR/><BR/>We can't forget the comprehensive immigration reform bill did not say Obama/Kennedy - it was McCain/Kennedy. While McCain has had to slip back on immigration, I believe he knows what is best for our country and has a better understanding of the immigration issue than a freshman senator from Chicago.<BR/><BR/>If more Democrats would stop voting against immigration reform we might be able to get it passed in the Congress. When we have Democrats voting for HB 4437, the SAVE Act and other anti immigration bills, the blame can not just be the GOP's problem.<BR/><BR/>Late term pregency and abortion issues cannot be over looked as well. Obama has been fairly quiet on this issue because he knows it will cause more problems with Evangelicals and Latinos in particular. <BR/><BR/>The fact that we also support tradational marriage is another issue where Latinos would find themselves at odds with Obama. While I support equal rights for all, I don't believe a small minority should be defining marriage for the majority of voters who support the traditional marriage definitions. The Bible is clear on marriage between a man and women.<BR/><BR/>While Obama brings a new style of campaigning with his elistist speeches, in the end it is more than just words. It is experience and a broader understanding not only of domestic policies, but being able to stand up to Putin and others who will attempt to enslave our allies in eastern Europe.<BR/><BR/>Abortion is enough to cause us to pause, but voting for a freshman senator with little or no experience is frigtening. Visting Europe does not add to his resume. If that were the case, anyone who has traveled extensively would have a Ph.D in vacation travel.Rev Fidel "Butch" Montoyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02566985664099503813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-76028634136034594932008-08-10T15:39:00.000-07:002008-08-10T15:39:00.000-07:00Now this is what I call irony!http://www.huffingto...Now this is what I call irony!<BR/><BR/>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-belonsky/leah-daughtry-has-been-up_b_83328.html<BR/><BR/>Leah Daughtry Has Been Up To No Good<BR/><BR/>Posted January 25, 2008 | 05:31 PM (EST)<BR/>Read More: Democratic National Committee, Karl Rove, Leah Daughtry, Breaking Politics News<BR/><BR/>stumbleupon :Leah Daughtry Has Been Up To No Good digg: Leah Daughtry Has Been Up To No Good reddit: Leah Daughtry Has Been Up To No Good del.icio.us: Leah Daughtry Has Been Up To No Good<BR/><BR/>Democratic National Committee Chief of Staff Leah Daughtry may not have been entirely honest with Washington DC.<BR/><BR/>The New York-born Pentecostal minister turned politico allegedly exploited DC's property tax exemptions. That's not a scandal, of course. Countless citizens use the Homestead Deduction to cut their tax rates nearly in half. The district's law states, however, that to take advantage of the deduction, you must vote in DC. Some say Daughtry didn't get the memo, because she's been registered to vote in New York City since February 21, 1996. The original deduction law said nothing about voting in DC, but lawmakers changed the rule back in 2002.<BR/><BR/><BR/>If this story sounds familiar, it should: Bush henchman Karl Rove played the same game back in 2005 until the Washington Post exposed his illegal exploitation.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16322841103921736117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-62481064240245260182008-08-05T17:39:00.000-07:002008-08-05T17:39:00.000-07:00I heard about the two books written by Joe Ortiz, ...I heard about the two books written by Joe Ortiz, obtained them, and want to extend kudos to him for such excellent authoring. Both books show exactly, with careful scholarship, how the end times will play out. They are far from the run-of-the-mill, rehashed, sensational, rapture-rush-jobs so prevalent in many bookstores, which is why I value them so much. I'm convinced that coming world conditions will cause bookstore owners to feature the solid works of Ortiz instead of the frothy rewrites issued by authors such as Lindsey and LaHaye.<BR/> Grateful to Ortiz, IrvIrvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16549518736967629192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-63094745800169471712008-08-05T17:28:00.000-07:002008-08-05T17:28:00.000-07:001 CommentClose this window Jump to comment form e...1 CommentClose this window Jump to comment form <BR/><BR/> eyeswideopen said... <BR/><BR/>IF anyone has been racially profiled it is SHeriff Joe Arpaio I have never seen more of an onslaut of attacks on anyone before in this state all for trying to enforce Immigration laws !!! KPHX radio staition daily attacks him, NEW TIMES has dedicated more paages to him since they started the paper, THE MESSAGE HERE IS : IF you try and enforce our immigration laws we will pollitically assasinate you. As sad as that is every illegal immigration group will come after you. SO DON'T ANYONE TALK TO ME ABOUT RACIALLY PROFILING !!! You have your answer right there... enforce immigration and they will take you out. YOu have to be a globalist or they will run you out of town or your state of ARizona, the liberals are as bad as the conservatives , same tactics .<BR/><BR/>August 4, 2008 9:06 PMLatino Evangelicalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11007433787829327571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-70413725220578749322008-07-23T22:02:00.000-07:002008-07-23T22:02:00.000-07:00As "hispanics"? Sir the scripture plainly states b...As "hispanics"? Sir the scripture plainly states believers should not identify ourselves according to the flesh-we are one in Christ and I will vote as a Christian. 2 Corinthians 5:16-17-are you even making the slightest effort towards Christian unity. <BR/><BR/>It is very fashionable and selfish to find reasons why immigration reform should be placed above abortion in this election. Abortion is murder. And I apologize if you understood my comments to be referring to only post Roe V. Wade-but even that number is blasphemously in the 10's of millions. You see we are promised reward when we do for the "least of these." Is there any more "least" than a human being regardless of race in a mother's womb? That is reason alone to fight this issue until it is eradicated as foundationaly and principaly immoral-JUST LIKE SLAVERY.Abolitionist focused on that until it was no more. Are immigration laws in principle "immoral?" No. Every nation has them-some are unfair and need to be changed like Mexico's anti-white immigration laws during the 1830's and some laws in America today. There were other unfair laws during Americas age of slavery, other immigration laws for that matter that could be considered unfair. Think about that for a minute please.-BUT true Christians knew that slavery needed to be eradicated first. Many people spoke about slavery and it's relative importance during that time much the same way you speak about abortion. "It's wrong but innocent people died in Iraq" Ok. I am officially against innocent people being killed starting with innocent children by the millions here in America due to abortion. Have politicians made promises they have not followed through on? Sure other issues you claim are of more importance will and have had unfullfilled promises attached to them as well! However this election is recognized by all major "watchers" of this issue the one that could outlaw the legalized practice of murdering innocent babies of all races-including those ALREADY born which the abortion failed which Obama voted to allow the murder of these babies. Sir.Why do you accuse anyone of following "Dobson"? Who cares what he says! The scripture plainly makes abortion murder. The scripture does even come close to speaking with clarity (not to say they are not addresses) and I mean with clarity the issues you find of more Christian importance. It is Christian importance you are concerned about isn't it sir? I pray I can become fully like Paul who counted everything according to the flesh "dung" now that he was in Christ. I am asking you to at least reply once more. This is not my blog but please try not to throw up "straw-men" examples to equal out the systematic legalized infantacide of countless children. This issue was important to the early church and was Martin Luther King's inspiration when other Pastor's told him it would be better to just move on. We do not hear their voices-and science has proven they do cry during certain term abortions-but we will hear them-for God hears them now. One last consideration-maybe if we removed this most fundamentally bigoted and evil law from our culture and began to value life from the foundation up-your other concerns that involve valuing life would have more impact. Until then to care about and call for the change anywhere else in our society if it means supporting murdering babies is the very essence of hypocrisy. Regard others more important than yourself. I humbly pray I will always. I truly thank you for responding and prayerfully wait for your continued correspondance. Please sir, Pray.TheSilverchordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16492866836103056564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5486646614717307916.post-3633327642981759072008-07-22T16:49:00.000-07:002008-07-22T16:49:00.000-07:00I appreciate your comments Mr. Montoya and have lo...I appreciate your comments Mr. Montoya and have long believed that too many Christians blindly followed leaders like Dr. Dobson and Pat Robertson. I've had many conversations that ended with "well, that's what Dr. Dobson says". I won't question their beliefs and admire their adherence to what they feel is true. However the agenda they promote is also endorsed by people who believe in outdated and un-Christlike economic, racial and foreign policies.<BR/><BR/>In this election, we HAVE to look at the total picture. We Evangelicals have been manipulated for the last 20 years by the Republican party and the conservative movement. All it takes is to say "killing babies" and we move like herds of sheep. It's plain embarrassing.<BR/><BR/>This year, let’s consider the abortion issue (yes I'll say the "A" word). But let’s also consider who has the best economic plan, the best environmental plan, the best racial equality plan and the best foreign policy plan. In short, let’s look at who we believe can pull the country forward, not get mired on one or two issues because no candidate will ever align themselves perfectly with 51% of the country.<BR/><BR/>Silverchord, I understand your point and admire you for your steadfast beliefs. But please keep in mind two points.<BR/><BR/>1. A 2007 study by Johns Hopkins University tried to determine how many civilians were caught up in the tragedies of Iraq. They polled neighborhoods to find out how many Iraqis have died. On average they found that in a neighborhood, 18 people have died. Of the 18, nine were from U.S. ordinance. "Collateral damage" as the term is called in the military. Every day this tragedy continues puts more and more men, women and CHILDREN at risk. I think it will be several years until someone can finally determine how many babies died at our hands. I therefore agree with you that every Christian’s priority is to stop the legal murder of children. And war is a legal act (to the winner). To the mother who just lost her 10 year old son in a U.S. air raid, we are the terrorist.<BR/><BR/>2. A recent study on abortion found that 20% of the girls who went through the procedure were the stereotypical unwed teen. The majority were older women with families who couldn’t afford to bring another child into their family or thought it was unsafe to have another child at their age. In 100% of the cases, the act was traumatizing to the woman. So, Silverchord, I would ask you not to be so insensitive and use words like “convenience” when discussing the issue. In no case, is the ending of a child’s life by her mother “convenient”.<BR/><BR/>And please don’t say “BILLIONS” in relation to Roe v. Wade. You know that’s just not true.<BR/><BR/>The Republicans who ran on the Pro Life agenda and promised change held the white house and both houses of Congress for over four years. Yet no legislation on abortion ever came up for a vote. How is this possible? And what makes people like you Silverchord think that this time it will? Don’t you see that you’ve been used for your vote time and time again? I understand the belief that it might make it to the Supreme Court again, but that’s going to be harder than it seems. There have been some issues heard and those have lead to better oversight when a minor is involved. In those cases all unwanted pregnancies should be treated as a tragedy and we as Christians need to be with them to help in any way we can.<BR/><BR/>We have difficult, difficult days ahead and we need the best and the brightest leading the way. Either candidate would make me prouder than our current leadership. As Hispanics, we need to do our part and VOTE. We also need to get involved in our communities and schools and take part in community clean up events, school functions and public hearings. All these things increase our public well being, our sense of self worth and our self esteem. And when we have this, we can be a mighty force of change in our world. But we have to “believe” first.<BR/><BR/>Dr. Dobson does not speak for me<BR/><BR/>Felix Posos Jr.<BR/>Orange County CaliforniaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14877412754132202467noreply@blogger.com